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Richard Borthwick, cites a reconstruction of this area by G. Washington in "The Parentage of William de Lancaster, Lord of Kendal" in 'Transactions of the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archeological Society', LXII (1962), 95-100, incorporating as Part II, a section written by G. Andrews Moriarty. In this reconstruction Christina is daughter of Ivo de Taillebois by Lucy of Mercia and marries Chetell, d. aft. 1120, son of Eldred of Workington. They are parents of Orm who married Gunhilda/Gunnilda. It is through marriage to Christina, daughter of Ivo 1st Baron of Kendal that the Barony of Kendal is brought into the family, not through Eldred as Ancestral Roots implies.

However Orm cannot be born too much after 1075, because he marries Gunnilda de Dunbar, whose father died in 1074. Since Christina de Taillebois, could not have been born before 1086, as that was when Ivo's 1st wife Judith of Lens died, I have placed Orm as the son of an "Unknown First Wife". It is the only way to make the dates work. It also has the added benefit of explaining why Gilbert (a younger son) became the next Baron of Kendal, inheriting it through his mother, rather than Orm (the elder son), who was the son of a prior wife.


Note: Richard Borthwick's reconstruction also suggests (with little proof) that Gilbert is not a son of Chetell, but that he married Goditha, a daughter of Eldred of Workington. I have chosen not to follow that suggestion.

Source: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I11952

(Research):Ketel married Christina DE TAILLEBOIS, daughter of Ives DE TAILLEBOIS 1st Baron of Kendal and Lucia of Mercia, before 1103 (Christina DE TAILLEBOIS was born after 1086 in Kendal, Cambria, England.)

Ketel also married Unnamed first wife in 1st wife 593. (Unnamed first wife was born about 1057 in England and died before 1103.)

Ketel married De Taillebois, Christina Bef 1103. Christina (daughter of d' Anjou, 1st Baron of Kendal Ives and of Mercia, Lucia) was born Aft 1086, Kendal, Cambria, England.. [Group Sheet]

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Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal, son of Ketel, Baron Kendal, son of Eldred, Baron Kendal. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-24]

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The following is a post to SGM, 2 Oct 1998, by Nigel Barker (explains why I originally had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois):

From: Nigel Barker (nigel AT a6law.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Ivo and Lucy Talybois
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/10/02

I set out some further information which may assist this matter -
another doubtful Charter of a Religeous House, with partisan views, may
be distorting proper genealogy!
>
VICTORIA HISTORY OF LANCASHIRE
VOL I pp35>

.Notes from passage on the family of Lancaster, Barons of Kendal

[The origin of the family is obscure.]

[Small landholder within the Barony of Coupland.]

[Granted land by William Meschine when he was granted his fief by Henry I.]

"The first recorded member is little mentioned beyond the bare fact that his name was Gilbert and his wife's name was Godith (Lancs Fines Rec Soc XXXIX 61). To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305), whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo, by whom Gilbert and his predecessor was probably enffeoffed of those manors within the Barony of Westmoreland which his descendants, the barons of Kendal, where chief lords. (Gilbert fitz Reinford & Helewise his wife confirmed some of Ivo's grants to the Abbey of St. Mary, York (Mon Ang iii 566))

The connection which existed between the heirs of Ketel, son of Eldred, namely the Curwens of Workington, and the Lancasters, of whom the former held several manors in Cumberland and Westmoreland, was probably of tenure rather than consanguinity. Intimately connected with this subject is a charter, of which an ancient transcript is preserved at Levens Hall, by which Roger de Mawbury grants to William son of Gilbert de Lancaster,in fee and inheritance, "all my land of Lonsdale, and of Kendal, and Horton in Ribblesdale, to hold by the service of 4 knights (Reg of Deeds at Levens Hall f79, Lancs Pipe Reg 389). It would be interesting to discuss the question as to whether this charter represents an original grant or merely a confirmation of a much older infeudation.

William son of Gilbert was the first to be enfeoffed of land in Lancaster. In 1212 he is described as "Willelmus filiuus Gibberti premus". He is not always described as "de Lancaster" for which it may be inferred that he was the first of his line to be associated with the Court and its Lords. The Mon. Chronicle to which allusion has already been made tells us that he caused himself to be called "de Lancaster" by the King's Licence, and to be styled before the King in Parliament (sic) "William de Lancaster, Baron Kendal". The same Chronicle states that he married Gundreda, formerly Countess of Warwick, whose husband, Roger de Newburgh, died in 1153.

William de Lancaster died in or after 1170.

Et seq.

Nigel Barker

Source: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I11952

Gilbert — De Taillebois, Goditha. Goditha (daughter of DE TAILLEBOIS, William and Margaret) was born Abt 1106, Lancaster, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet]

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Gundred de Warenne m. (2) William de Lancaster I, d. 1170, 5th Baron Kendal of Workington in Coupland, son of Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal; he inherited an extensive fief held of the Honour of Coupland, served as castellan of William fitz Duncan's castle of Egremont in 1138, and was Governor of the Caslte of Lancaster. [Ancestral Roots, line 88-25]

Note: Their daughter Avice's birthdate is about 1145 according to some, but if Plantagenet Ancestry is right in attributing her mother to be Gundred (Ancestral Roots gives no mother), then an 1154 date would be much more likely. This also involves making subsequent descendant birthdates a bit later as well.

Note also: Ancestral Roots states that Gilbert de Stainton is probably son of William I de Lancaster. However I believe that chronologically he is more likely to be a brother.

Source: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I11952

William married De Warenne, Gundred/ Adelaide (Ada) Abt 1154. Gundred/ (daughter of De Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey William II and Capet, Countess of Leicester, de Vermandois Elizabeth) was born Abt 1117, Lewes, Sussex, England; died 1166/1178, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England; was buried , Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland. [Group Sheet]