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Death - Date: 12 Jun 1152 Place: Huntington, Huntington, England

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He [Henry of Scotland] married Ada (or Adeline), daughter of William (de WARENNE), EARL OF SURREY, by Isabel, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died v.p., 12 June 1152, and was buried at Kelso [k]. His widow died in 1178, having in that year founded the Nunnery of Haddington. [Complete Peerage VI:642, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(Research):Alt. Birth; Abt 1117, Surrey, Kent, England.

SURNAME: Also shown as De Warren

PREFIX: Also shown as Cts/Huntingdon

BIRTH: Also shown as Born of, , Surrey, England.

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Ada (Adelaide)

PREFIX: Also shown as Countess

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 1122

DEATH: Also shown as Died Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, , England.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Kelso.

Ada married mac Dabíd, Earl/Huntingdon Eanric 1134. Eanric (son of mac Maíl Choluim, King of the Scots David I and Lady Matilda, son of mac Maíl Choluim, King Of Scotland Dauíd I and de Huntingdon, Matilde Maud) was born 19 Nov 1114, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England; died 12 Jun 1152, Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland; was buried Jun 1152, Kelso Abbey, Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland. [Group Sheet]

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1. mac Eanric, Prince of Scotland Máel Coluim IV was born 20 Mar 1141, Scotland; died 9 Dec 1165, , Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland; was buried , Holy Trinity Church, Dumferline, Fife, Scotland.
2. mac Eanric, King Of Scotland Uilliam I was born 1143, Perth, Perth and Kinross, Scotland; died 4 Dec 1214, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Kingdom of Scotland; was buried 10 Dec 1214, Abbey Of Arbroath, Arbroath, Angus, Scotland.
3. mac Eanric, Pr./Scotland David was born 1144, of, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, Scotland; died 17 Jun 1219, , Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland; was buried , Abbey of Saltre, , Huntingtonshire, England.
4. mac Eanric, 8th Earl of Huntingdon David was born 17 Jun 1144, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England; died 17 Jun 1219, Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire, England; was buried 24 Jun 1219, Sawtrey Abbey, Hampshire England.
5. mac Eanric, Margaret was born 1145, Scotland; died 1201, North Riding, Yorkshire, England. Buried at Sawtry Abbey, Cambridgeshire, England..
6. Dunkeld, Prs/Scotland Ada was born Abt 1146, Of Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England, or Scotland; died Aft 11 Jan 1204.
7. mac Eanric, 4th Baron of Kendal Ada was born 1146, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England; died Aft 11 Jan 1204.
8. mac Eanric, Matilda was born 1150; died 1152.
9. Dunkeld, Princess of Scotland Matilda was born 1152, , , , England; died 1152, , , , England.
10. Dunkeld, Princess of Scotland Marjory was born 1152, , , , England.
11. mac Eanric, Marjorie was born 1152, Huntington, England; died Abt 1213.
12. Dunkeld, Margaret was born 1154, Northumberland, Northumberland, England; died 1201.

Ada married 1139, Huntingdon, Huntingdon, England. [Group Sheet]

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EARLDOM OF SURREY (II) 1088

WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) II, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir by 1st wife, usually styled EARL DE WARENNE. In 1090 he fought in Normandy against Robert de Bell?me (afterwards 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury), who was supported by Duke Robert. Shortly after 1093 he sought unsuccessfully to marry Maud, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland. He was with Henry I at Windsor on 3 September 1101, but later in that autumn he went with Duke Robert to Normandy and supported him against the King, who confiscated his inheritance in England; however, in 1103 the Duke induced Henry to restore his English Earldom. In 1106 he commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was at a Great Council at Nottingharn; and in 1110 he was a surety for the performance of the treaty with the Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the nobles sitting in judgement in Normandy. He commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Brémule in 1119 (l). In 1131 he attended the Council at Northampton. He was present at the death of Henry I on 1 December 1135 at Lyons-la-Foret; after which the councillors put him in charge of the district of Rouen and the pays de Caux. Later he went to England, and he was at Westminster with Stephen at Easter 1136. He was probably still living in June 1137. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous benefactions, to the abbeys of St. Evroul and St. Amand (Rouen), and the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Wymondham, Longueville and Bellencombre. Henry I had proposed to marry William to one of his illegitimate daughters, but on Archbishop Anselm's objection this match was abandoned on the ground of affinity. William eventually married Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118) (c), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. He died probably 11 May 1138 and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory (g). She died probably before July 1147 (h). [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

was a member of royalty, nobility or aristocracy in the British Isles.

William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (died 1138), was the son of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and his first wife Gundred. He is more often referred to as Earl Warenne or Earl of Warenne than as Earl of Surrey.
In January 1091, William assisted Hugh of Grantmesnil (d.1094) in his defense of Courcy against the forces of Robert de Belleme and Duke Robert.
Sometime around 1093 he tried to marry Matilda (or Edith), daughter of king Malcolm III of Scotland. She instead married Henry I of England, and this may be the cause of William's great dislike of Henry I, which was to be his apparent motivator in the following years.
He accompanied Robert Curthose (Duke Robert) in his 1101 invasion of England, and afterwards lost his English lands and titles and was exiled to Normandy. There he complained to Curthose that he expended great effort on the duke's behalf and had in return lost most of his possessions. Curthose's return to England in 1103 was apparently made to convince his brother to restore William's earldom. This was successful, though Curthose had to give up all he had received after the 1101 invasion, and subsequently William was loyal to Henry.
To further insure William's loyalty Henry considered marrying him to one of his many illegitimate daughters. He was however dissuaded by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury, for any of the daughters would have been within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. The precise nature of the consanguinous relationship Anselm had in mind has been much debated, but it is most likely he was referring to common descent from the father of duchess Gunnor.
William was one of the commanders on Henry's side (against Robert Curthose) at the Battle of Tinchebray in 1106. Afterwards, with his loyalty thus proven, he became more prominent in Henry's court.
In 1110, Curthose's son William Clito escaped along with Helias of Saint-Saens, and afterwards Warenne received the forfeited Saint-Saens lands, which were very near his own in upper Normandy. By this maneuver king Henry further assured his loyalty, for the successful return of Clito would mean at the very least Warenne's loss of this new territory.
He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, and was at Henry's deathbed in 1135.
William's death is recorded as 11-May-1138 in the register of Lewes priory and he was buried with his father at the chapter-house there.
Family
In 1118 William acquired the royal-blooded bride he desired when married Elizabeth de Vermandois. She was a daughter of count Hugh of Vermandois, a son of Henry I of France, and was the widow of Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester.
By Elizabeth he had three sons and two daughters:
William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey;
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy, including the castles of Bellencombre and Mortemer. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William (founder of the priory of Wormegay), whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh; Reginald was one of the persecutors of Archbishop Thomas in 1170.
Ralph de Warenne
Gundrada de Warenne, who married first Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick, and second William, lord of Kendal, and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle;
Ada de Warenne, who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon who made many grants to the priory of Lewes.

William de Warenne II - also known as: Warren - was born about 1065, lived in Sussex, England and died on 11 May 1138 in England . He was the son of William de Warenne I and Princess Gundred of England.
William married Isabel de Vermandois before 1118 in France. Isabel was born about 1085, lived in Valois, France. She was the daughter of Hughes of France and Adelle de Vermandois. She died on 13 Feb 1131 in England .


William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (died 1138), was the son of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and his first wife Gundred. He is more often referred to as Earl Warenne or Earl of Warenne than as Earl of Surrey.
In January 1091, William assisted Hugh of Grantmesnil (d.1094) in his defense of Courcy against the forces of Robert de Belleme and Duke Robert [1].
Sometime around 1093 he tried to marry Matilda (or Edith), daughter of king Malcolm III of Scotland. She instead married Henry I of England, and this may be the cause of William's great dislike of Henry I, which was to be his apparent motivator in the following years.
He accompanied Robert Curthose (Duke Robert) in his 1101 invasion of England, and afterwards lost his English lands and titles and was exiled to Normandy[2]. There he complained to Curthose that he expended great effort on the duke's behalf and had in return lost most of his possessions. Curthose's return to England in 1103 was apparently made to convince his brother to restore William's earldom. This was successful, though Curthose had to give up all he had received after the 1101 invasion, and subsequently William was loyal to Henry.
To further insure William's loyalty Henry considered marrying him to one of his many illegitimate daughters. He was however dissuaded by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury, for any of the daughters would have been within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. The precise nature of the consanguinous relationship Anselm had in mind has been much debated, but it is most likely he was referring to common descent from the father of duchess Gunnor.
William was one of the commanders on Henry's side (against Robert Curthose) at the Battle of Tinchebray in 1106. Afterwards, with his loyalty thus proven, he became more prominent in Henry's court.
In 1110, Curthose's son William Clito escaped along with Helias of Saint-Saens, and afterwards Warenne received the forfeited Saint-Saens lands, which were very near his own in upper Normandy. By this maneuver king Henry further assured his loyalty, for the successful return of Clito would mean at the very least Warenne's loss of this new territory.
He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119 [3], and was at Henry's deathbed in 1135.
William's death is recorded as 11-May-1138 in the register of Lewes priory and he was buried with his father at the chapter-house there.
Family
In 1118 William acquired the royal-blooded bride he desired when married Elizabeth de Vermandois. She was a daughter of count Hugh of Vermandois, a son of Henry I of France, and was the widow of Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester.
By Elizabeth he had three sons and two daughters:
William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey;
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy, including the castles of Bellencombre and Mortemer He married Adeline, aughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William (founder of the priory of Wormegay), whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh; Reginald was one of the persecutors of Archbishop Thomas in 1170.
Ralph de Warenne
Gundrada de Warenne, who married first Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick, and second William, lord of Kendal, and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle;
Ada de Warenne, who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon who made many grants to the priory of Lewes.


EARLDOM OF SURREY (II)

WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) II, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir by 1st wife, usually styled EARL DE WARENNE. In 1090 he fought in Normandy against Robert de Belléme (afterwards 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury), who was supported by Duke Robert. Shortly after 1093 he sought unsuccessfully to marry Maud, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland. He was with Henry I at Windsor on 3 September 1101, but later in that autumn he went with Duke Robert to Normandy and supported him against the King, who confiscated his inheritance in England; however, in 1103 the Duke induced Henry to restore his English Earldom. In 1106 he commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was at a Great Council at Nottingharn; and in 1110 he was a surety for the performance of the treaty with the Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the nobles sitting in judgement in Normandy. He commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Brémule in 1119 (l). In 1131 he attended the Council at Northampton. He was present at the death of Henry I on 1 December 1135 at Lyons-la-Foret; after which the councillors put him in charge of the district of Rouen and the pays de Caux. Later he went to England, and he was at Westminster with Stephen at Easter 1136. He was probably still living in June 1137. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous benefactions, to the abbeys of St. Evroul and St. Amand (Rouen), and the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Wymondham, Longueville and Bellencombre. Henry I had proposed to marry William to one of his illegitimate daughters, but on Archbishop Anselm's objection this match was abandoned on the ground of affinity. William eventually married Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118) (c), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. He died probably 11 May 1138 and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory (g). She died probably before July 1147 (h)

According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.

(l) He had encouraged Henry to fight when William (de Tancarville) the Chamberlain urged him to retreat. His alleged speech to the King before the battle is given in "Chron. Men de Hida", pp. 316-7.
(c) According to Henry of Huntingdon [their daughter Ada's husband], the death of Isabel's 1st husband was hastened by an (unnamed) Earl carrying her off, by force or fraud. The truth of this is open to question.
(g) He left 3 sons: William - 3rd Earl, Ralph, and Rainald, ancestor of the Warennes of Wormegay; and 2 daughters: (1) Gundred, who m. 1st Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick; 2ndly, (as his 2nd wife), William de Lancaster; (2) Ada, who m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, s. of David I, King of Scotland, by whom she was mother of Malcolm IV and William the Lion, Kings of Scotland.
(h) Before her son William, 3rd Earl, went on crusade in June 1147.

This nobleman, William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 2nd Earl of Surrey, joined Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, in favour of Robert Curthose against Henry I, and in consequence forfeited his English earldom and estates, but those were subsequently restored to him and he was ever afterwards a good and faithful subject to King Henry. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, by whom he had issue, William, Reginald, Ralph, Gundred, and Adeline. The earl d. 11 May, 1138, and was s. by his eldest son, William de Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.

William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (died 1138), was the son of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and his first wife Gundred. He is more often referred to as Earl Warenne or Earl of Warenne than as Earl of Surrey.
In January 1091, William assisted Hugh of Grantmesnil (d. 1094) in his defense of Courcy against the forces of Robert de Belleme and Duke Robert.
Sometime around 1093 he tried to marry Matilda (or Edith), daughter of king Malcolm III of Scotland. She instead married Henry I of England, and this may be the cause of William's great dislike of Henry I, which was to be his apparent motivator in the following years.
He accompanied Robert Curthose (Duke Robert) in his 1101 invasion of England, and afterwards lost his English lands and titles and was exiled to Normandy. There he complained to Curthose that he expended great effort on the duke's behalf and had in return lost most of his possessions. Curthose's return to England in 1103 was apparently made to convince his brother to restore William's earldom. This was successful, though Curthose had to give up all he had received after the 1101 invasion, and subsequently William was loyal to Henry.
To further insure William's loyalty Henry considered marrying him to one of his many illegitimate daughters. He was however dissuaded by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury, for any of the daughters would have been within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. The precise nature of the consanguineous relationship Anselm had in mind has been much debated, but it is most likely he was referring to common descent from the father of duchess Gunnor.
William was one of the commanders on Henry's side (against Robert Curthose) at the Battle of Tinchebray in 1106. Afterwards, with his loyalty thus proven, he became more prominent in Henry's court.
In 1110, Curthose's son William Clito escaped along with Helias of Saint-Saens, and afterwards Warenne received the forfeited Saint-Saens lands, which were very near his own in upper Normandy. By this maneuver king Henry further assured his loyalty, for the successful return of Clito would mean at the very least Warenne's loss of this new territory.
He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, and was at Henry's deathbed in 1135.
William's death is recorded as 11-May-1138 in the register of Lewes priory and he was buried with his father at the chapter-house there.
Elizabeth of Vermandois, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (b. ca. 1071 - d. 11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.
In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.
In 1118 William acquired the royal-blooded bride he desired when married Elizabeth de Vermandois. She was a daughter of count Hugh of Vermandois, a son of Henry I of France, and was the widow of Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester.
William and Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters:
? William de Warenne;
? Reginald de Warenne;
? Ralph de Warenne;
? Gundrada (Gundred) de Warenne;
? Ada de Warenne.
Note: William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey

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Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.

(l) He had encouraged Henry to fight when William (de Tancarville) the Chamberlain urged him to retreat. His alleged speech to the King before the battle is given in "Chron. Men de Hida", pp. 316-7.

(c) According to Henry of Huntingdon [their daughter Ada's husband], the death of Isabel's 1st husband was hastened by an (unnamed) Earl carrying her off, by force or fraud. The truth of this is open to question.

(g) He left 3 sons: William - 3rd Earl, Ralph, and Rainald, ancestor of the Warennes of Wormegay; and 2 daughters: (1) Gundred, who m. 1st Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick; 2ndly, (as his 2nd wife), William de Lancaster; (2) Ada, who m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, s. of David I, King of Scotland, by whom she was mother of Malcolm IV and William the Lion, Kings of Scotland.

(h) Before her son William, 3rd Earl, went on crusade in June 1147.

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This nobleman, William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 2nd Earl of Surrey, joined Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, in favour of Robert Curthose against Henry I, and in consequence forfeited his English earldom and estates, but those were subsequently restored to him and he was ever afterwards a good and faithful subject to King Henry. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, by whom he had issue, William, Reginald, Ralph, Gundred, and Adeline. The earl d. 11 May, 1138, and was s. by his eldest son, William de Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]

Source:
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im Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I11952

Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I26146

(Research):Other names for William were William II DE WARREN and William DE WARRENNE.

Source: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warenne-25

(Research):William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, was the son of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and his first wife Gundred. He is more often referred to as Earl Warenne or Earl of Warenne than as Earl of Surrey.
In January 1091, William assisted Hugh of Grantmesnil (d.1094) in his defense of Courcy against the forces of Robert de Belleme and Duke Robert. Sometime around 1093 he tried to marry Matilda (or Edith), daughter of King Malcolm III of Scotland. She instead married Henry I of England, and this may be the cause of William's great dislike of Henry I, which was to be his apparent motivator in the following years.

He accompanied Robert Curthose (Duke Robert) in his 1101 invasion of England, and afterwards lost his English lands and titles and was exiled to Normandy. There he complained to Curthose that he expended great effort on the Duke's behalf and had in return lost most of his possessions. Curthose's return to England in 1103 was apparently made to convince his brother to restore William's earldom. This was successful, though Curthose had to give up all he had received after the 1101 invasion, and subsequently William was loyal to Henry. To further insure William's loyalty Henry considered marrying him to one of his many illegitimate daughters. He was however dissuaded by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury, for any of the daughters would have been within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. The precise nature of the consanguineous relationship Anselm had in mind has been much debated, but it is most likely he was referring to common descent from the father of duchess Gunnor.

William was one of the commanders on Henry's side (against Robert Curthose) at the Battle of Tinchebray in 1106. Afterwards, with his loyalty thus proven, he became more prominent in Henry's court. In 1110, Curthose's son William Clito escaped along with Helias of Saint-Saens, and afterwards Warenne received the forfeited Saint-Saens lands, which were very near his own in upper Normandy. By this maneuver king Henry further assured his loyalty, for the successful return of Clito would mean at the very least Warenne's loss of this new territory. He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, and was at Henry's deathbed in 1135. William's death is recorded as May 11,1138 in the register of Lewes priory and he was buried with his father at the chapter-house there.

Marriage date of 1101 is given on page 7 of "Sussex archaeological collections relating to the history and antiquities of the county", Volume XXXV, http://books.google.com/books?id=j64xAQAAIAAJ

Source: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warenne-25

SUFFIX: Also shown as Earl of Surrey

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 1071

DEATH: Also shown as Died Lewes, Sussex, England.

PREFIX: Also shown as Earl

SURNAME: Also shown as De Warren

PREFIX: Also shown as Earl/Surrey

William married Capet, Countess of Leicester, de Vermandois Elizabeth Abt 1118, France. Elizabeth (daughter of Capet, Duc de Vermandois et de Bourgogne Hugh and Capet, Comtesse de VERMANDOIS Adélaïde) was born 13 Feb 1080, Valois now Oise, Picardy, France; died 17 Feb 1146, St. Nicaise, Meulan, Desens, France; was buried 17 Feb 1131, Lewes, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet]

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• Birth: Abt 1058, of, Vermandois, Normandy, France
• Birth: Abt 1083, of, Valois, Bretagne, France
• Death: 13 Feb 1131, Meulan, D-Sens, France, or England

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aka de VERMANDOIS

was a member of royalty, nobility or aristocracy in Europe.


Isabel (or Elisabeth), widow of Robert (de BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CR?PI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6)
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Isabel de Vermandois, Countess of Leicester (c.1081 ?- 13 Feb 1131) was distantly related to English kings, Norman dukes, and Flanders counts. By Carolingian ancestry, she was also related to almost every major nobleman in Western Europe. Nevertheless, Isabel was very much her own person.

Elizabeth married Meulan around aged 9 or 11.But the old count was at least 35 years her senior ... Yes. Unusual even for this time period. But he was a nobleman of some significance in France, who inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan. He also fought his first battle with distinction at Hastings when he was only 16. He didn't have an English earldom when they got married, but his younger brother was Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known tohistorians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.
Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortiveinvasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, andby an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with theearldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Emma de Beaumont (c.1102)

Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (c.1104)

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (c.1104)

Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (c. 1106)

Adeline de Beaumont (c.1107), m.1 Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle

Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109) m. Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais

Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111) m. William Lovel

Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102)m.1 Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke

Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland


Marriage to William de Warenne

m.2 1118 William de Warenne II (c.1065 - 11 May 1138)before 1118 France

Elizabeth, apparently tired of her aging husband at some point. The historian Planche says (1874) she was seduced by or fell in love with William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138).It was said he wanted a royal bride, and Elizabeth met his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, Warenne abducted the Countess to hide their long-standing affair But eventually, the old Count of Meulan died -- supposedly of chagrin and mortification from publicly humiliation -- at the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118 So Elizabeth got to marry her lover after all.
Elizabeth and Warenne had several children -- all born during her marriage to Meulan. One daughter was born when they were living out of wedlock (1115-1118). It is unclear if it was Ada de Warenne.
Issue

William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 1147) dau Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey m.1 William, Count of Boulognem.2 Hamelin Plantagenet

Reginald de Warenne m. Adeline

alph de Warenne (dsp)
Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) m.1 Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick.

William de Warenne, Earl of Warenne and Surrey

Ada de Warenne(d. c.1178) m. Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon

of Vermandois

!of Valois, Bretagne, France.

FamilySearch showed this additional information:
Burial - Place: Priory of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England

Marriage: Robert de Caen

m. Robert de Caen (b. 1046)

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms became "checky or and azure".The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

Source: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Capet-250

(Research):Isabel married Robert I DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER 1st Earl of Leicester, son of Roger DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER Seigneur de Portaudemer and Adeliza (Adeline) DE MEULAN, in Apr 1096 in Normandy, France. (Robert I DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER 1st Earl of Leicester was born about 1046 in Beaumont-le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 5 Jun 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France and was buried after 5 Jun 1118 in Abbey of Preaux, Normandy, France.)

Isabel also married William DE WARENNE 2nd Earl of Surrey & Warren, son of Guillaume (William) DE WARENNE 1st Earl of Surrey and Gundred DE NORMANDIE, about 1118 in France. (William DE WARENNE 2nd Earl of Surrey & Warren was born in 1081 in Lewes, Sussex, England, died on 11 May 1138 in Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England and was buried in Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England.)

SURNAME: Also shown as De Vermandois

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Isabel Elizabeth

PREFIX: Also shown as Comtesse De Leicester

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Isabel Elizabeth

AFN: Merged with a record that used the AFN 8XJB-1D

Notes:

MARRIAGE: Also shown as Married 1101

MARRIAGE: Also shown as Married Abt 1119

Other Events:

• AFN: 9FK0-RW
• _UID: 2C4C5BC1BD4140618B25F742B2507F832033
• _UID: AB464BF5DEFA234AB11BB16DF2D9A5A67642
• Birth: Abt 1055, of, Bellencombe, S-Inf, France

Notes:

EARLDOM OF SURREY (I) 1088

WILLIAM DE WARENNE was 1st son of Rodulf II by Emma. At some time in or after 1054 Duke William gave him the castle of Mortemer, which had been forfeited by his kinsman, Roger de Mortimer, after the Battle of Mortemer in February of that year. Probably at the same time he acquired lands at Bellencombre, the castle of which became the caput of the Warenne barony in Normandy. In 1066 he was one of the Norman barons summoned by the Duke to a Council on hearing that Harold had been crowned King after the death of the Confessor. He took part in the invasion of England and was present at the Battle of Hastings. He was rewarded with lands in 13 counties (j), including most of the rape of Lewes in Sussex, the manor of Conisborough, co. York, and Castle Acre and a number of holdings in Norfolk. In 1067 he was one of the Norman nobles whom the Conqueror left in England to support his vice-regents, William FitzOsbern and the Bishop of Bayeux. In 1075 he was one of the two chief justiciars who were in charge of England when the Earls of Hereford and Norfolk rebelled and who summoned them to the King's court, and on their refusal crushed the rebellion (b). About 1083-85 he was fighting for the King in Maine (c). In the spring of 1088 he supported William II against the rebels led by the Bishop of Bayeux and the Count of Mortain, and to secure his loyalty he was created, shortly after Easter (16 April) 1088, EARL OF SURREY (e), his immediate successors being styled more usually EARLS DE WARENNE. He was mortally wounded at the siege of Pevensey before the end of May. He founded Lewes priory as a cell of Cluny abbey, about 1078-82.

He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. He married, 2ndly, [----], sister of Richard GUET (living 1098). He died 24 June 1088, apparently from the effect of his wound at Pevensey, at Lewes, and was buried there beside his wife. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(j) Bedford, Bucks, Cambridge, Huntingdon, Lincoln, Oxford, York, Berks, Essex, Hants, Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex.

(b) William was one of those who occupied Norwich castle after its surrender.

(c) He was one of the leaders of an unsuccessful attack on the castle of Ste Suzanne in Jan, year uncertain.

(e) The creation has been ascribed to the Conqueror, but certainly in error. This was the only earldom created before the reign of Stephen of which the holder did not take his title from the county in which lay his chief territorial strength. However, it is likely that with the Earldom he was given lands at Reigate in Surrey.

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[From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families"]

For this identification see Mr. Loyd's paper 'The Origin of the Family of Warenne' in Yorkshire Arch. Journal, vol. xxxi, pp. 97-113. The hamlet of Varenne lies on the river Varenne c. 2 miles S of Arques and c. 13 miles N of Bellencombre. The latter place, arr. Dieppe, cant. Bellencombre, where there was a castle, became the caput of the Warenne honour in Normandy.

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William Warenne was one of those followers of William of Normandy who made their fortunes by the conquest of England. The younger son of Rudulf of Varenne in Normandy, he distinguished himself in ducal service as a very young man in the early 1050s. After the ducal victory at Mortemer (1054) he received estates in upper Normandy, but it was only after the English invasion that he attained the front rank. He fought at Hastings and was rewarded with lands which by 1086 extended into thirteen counties, most notably strategically important estates in Sussex centered round Lewes. By the end of William I's reign he was one of the dozen largest individual landowners in England. He repaid his debt with vigorous loyalty in both England and France. In 1075 he played a leading role in suppressing the revolt of the earls of Hereford and Norfolk. After the Conqueror's death, Warenne supported William Rufus in 1087-88 against Robert Curthose and Odo of Bayeux. Rufus encouraged his service by creating him earl of Surrey in 1088. The same year Warenne was seriously wounded by an arrow in his leg at the siege of Pevensey and died at his foundation of Lewes Priory on 24 June 1088.

Warenne's career was more than meteoric. A younger son of an obscure minor Norman nobleman, he had risen through conspicuous loyalty to his lord to become not only one of the richest men in one of the richest kingdoms of Europe but also the founder of a dynasty which, powerful, wealthy and influential, survived as earl of Surrey until 1347. Warenne's foundation at Lewes (1078/80) was the first Cluniac house in England, another sign of the Conquest's effect on establishing institutional as well as personal links across the Channel. Warenne's success depended on the traditional chivalric virtues of loyalty, bravery and prowess in arms. His life illustrates the stupendous prizes and the personal dangers on offer to those who joined the conquest of England. It was appropriate that Warenne's direct descendent, John De Warenne, Earl of Surrey (1231-1304), when challenged in 1278 by royal commissioners to produce title to his land, produced an old rusty sword declaring, 'Here, my Lord, is my warrant (warrantus: a pun which no doubt appealed to the somewhat intractable sense of honour of the time). My ancestors came with William the Bastard and won their lands with the sword, and by the sword I will hold them against all comers.' Earl John won his case. William of Warenne would have approved. [Who's Who in Early Medieval England, Christopher Tyerman, Shepheard-Walwyn, Ltd., London, 1996]

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William de Warrenne, Earl of Warrenne, in Normandy, a near kinsman of William the Conqueror, came into England with that prince and, having distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, obtained an immense portion of the public spoliation. He had large grants of land in several counties, amongst which were the Barony of Lewes, in Sussex, and the manors of Carletune and Benington, in Lincolnshire. So extensive indeed were those grants that his possessions resembled more the dominions of a sovereign prince than the estates of a subject. He enjoyed, too, in the highest degree, the confidence of the king, and was appointed joint justice-general with Richard de Benefactis for administering justice throughout the whole realm. While in that office, some great disturbers of the public peace having refused to appear before him and his colleague in obedience to citation, the Earl took up arms and defeated the rebels in a battle at Fagadune, when he is said, for the purpose of striking terror, to have cut off the right foot of each of his prisoners. Of those rebels, Ralph Wahir or Guarder, Earl of Norfolk, and Roger, Earl of Hereford, were the ringleaders. His lordship was likewise highly esteemed by King William Rufus, and was created by that monarch Earl of Surrey. He m. Gundred, dau. of the Conqueror*, and had issue, William, Reginald, Gundred-Edith, and another dau. who m. Ernise de Colungis.

This potent noble built the castle of Holt and founded the priory at Lewes, in Sussex. He resided principally at the castle of Lewes, and had besides Castle-Acre, in Norfolk, and noble castles at Coningsburg and Sandal. He d. 24 June, 1088, and Dugdale gives to following curious account of his parting hour. "It is reported that this Earl William did violently detain certain lands from the monks of Ely, for which, being often admonished by the abbot, and not making restitution, died miserably. And, though his death happened very far off the isle of Ely, the same night he died, the abbot lying quietly in his bed and meditating on heavenly things, heard the soul of this earl, in its carriage away by the devil, cry out loudly and with a known and distinct voice, Lord have mercy on me; Lord have mercy on me. And, moreover, that the next day after, the abbot acquainted all the monks in chapter therewith. And likewise, that about four days after, there came a messenger to them from the wife of this earl with 100 shillings for the good of his soul, who told them that he died the very hour that the abbot had heard the outcry. But that neither the abbot nor any of the monks would receive it, not thinking it safe for them to take the money of a damned person. If this part of the story as to the abbot's hearing the noise be no truer than the last, viz., that his lady sent them 100 shillings, I shall deem it to be a mere fiction, in regard the lady was certainly dead about three years before." The earl was s. by his elder son, William de Warenne. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 568, Warren, Earls of Surrey]

* At one time, it was thought that Gundred was the daughter of William the Conqueror. This has since been disproved. For details, see "Early Yorkshire Charters" by C. T. Clay, or "Études sur Quelques Points de l'Historie de Guillaume le Conquérant" by H. Prentout. [Brian Tompsett, Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, University of Hull, Hull, UK, "Electronic," royal01389]

(Research):1. Alternate Birth; 1055, Verennes, France.

2. Alternate Death; 24 Jun 1088, Lewes, Surrey, England.

Guillaume married Gundred DE NORMANDIE, daughter of Gherbod DE FLANDRES 1st Earl of Chester and Matilda DE FLANDRES Queen of England, before 1077 in Normandy, France (Gundred DE NORMANDIE was born in 1063 in Normandy, France , died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England and was buried in Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England

Guillaume also married Sister of Richard GUET after 1085 in 2nd wife (Sister of Richard GUET was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died after 1098

This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File:
Ralph /DE WARREN/ (AFN:FLGX-8C) and Mrs. E /DE WARENNE/ (AFN:FLGX-9J)
William // (AFN:GS5K-8C) and Miss /FORTA/ (AFN:GS5K-9J)

SURNAME: Also shown as De Warren

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as William

PREFIX: Also shown as Earl/Surrey

DEATH: Also shown as Died Pevensey, Sussex, England.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England.

Guillaume married De Normandie, Princess Of England Gundred Bef 1077, Normandy, France. Gundred (daughter of De Flandres, Gherbod 1st Earl of Chester and Baudouinides, Queen of England Matilda, daughter of De Normandie, King of England Guillaume I and Baudouinides, Queen of England Matilda) was born 1063, , Normandy, Normandy, France; died 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England; was buried , Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: 8PTS-DN
• _UID: 3CAEC69F6964C6479EFD81AFD195086FD11A
• _UID: EDAD58FC561B4A298FCE4296D618B440E9F1

Notes:

Gundred (daughter of Gherbod the Fleming), d. 27 May 1085; m. bef. 1077, William de Warenne, d. Lewes 24 June 1088, created 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolf de Warenne and Beatrice. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Trafford Pedigree; Some Early English Pedigrees, British 942 D2no, page 20.

Note: I think that Gundred was daughter of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. He was also advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin of St. Omer (as CP itself indicated-see notes under Gherbod) . As far as I know there is only one Gerbod.

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According to Magna Charta Sureties (and CP in a way), a daughter of Gherbod the Fleming. According to the Plantagenet Ancestry, a daughter of William the Conquerer and Matilda of Flanders. The following discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval illustrates the proof for Gundred being daughter of Matilda, wife of William I, and also the controversy still being debated about her ancestry. I happen to believe that the Lewes Chartulary is not false on the basis that there is no reason for forging a relationship to Queen Maud, but not King William I.

From: Phil Moody (moodyprime AT cox.net)
Subject: Re: tombstone of Gundrad, wife of William de Warenne
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-30 21:52:15 PST

"Chris PHILLIPS" wrote"


> There was never any question of Gundred being an illegitimate daughter of
> William I, but rather it was a case of a fraudulent claim that she was a
> legitimate daughter. The reason people used to think that Gundred was a
> daughter of William the Conqueror was because the monks of Lewes forged some
> charters which stated that. But I don't think anyone now seriously maintains
> that these charters are authentic.
>
> Gundred is known to have been a sister of Gerbod, who was briefly earl of
> Chester under William the Conqueror. It's clear they were members of a
> Flemish family who were advocates of St Bertin's Abbey in St Omer, and who
> held Oosterzele and Scheldewindeke, although the genealogy isn't altogether
> clear.

PLM: There is some doubt in my mind, however. Per your earlier assistance to me; I do now have "The Chartulary of the Priory of St. Pancras of Lewes", vol. I, ed. L. F. Salzman, and published by the Sussex Record Society in 1032 [sic?]. There is a lengthy charter by William Warrene nearly six pages in length; so I will not quote it's entirety, but this bit is curious.

Page 3:

"..., I have given for the welfare of my soul and that of Gundrada my wife and for the soul of my lord King William who brought me into England and by whose license I caused the monks to come and who confirmed my former gift, and for the welfare of my lady Queen Maud the mother of my wife and for the welfare of my lord King William his son after whose coming to England I made this charter and who made me Earl of Surrey,..." UNQ

PLM: It is quite clear from this charter, that Gundrada is the daughter of Queen Maud, and the lack of a reference to William I being the father of Gundrada is highly significant. If I were to rely solely on this evidence, I would have to conclude that Gundrada was NOT the daughter of William I at all.

People have referred to forged charters from Lewes, but what is the basis of these assertions, and which references discuss these "supposedly proven forgeries"? The premise of such an accusation appears to be up side down, in relation to the above charter. It seems illogical to forge a document that makes Gundrada the daughter of the Queen, as opposed to the King of England; which would essentially diminish her social standing, instead of elevating it, as most forgeries tend to do?

Sources: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I07256&style=TABLE, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I00350

(Research): Another name for Gundred was Gundreda DE GAND.

Alt. Birth; 1058, Normandy, France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Castle Acre, Norfolk, England, England.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, , England.

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XJ9-QV
• Burial: St Paul De Tarse
• _FSFTID: LDMR-MF5
• _UID: 7C030B6B090341EDB6C419623D0DD0A4E24D
• _UID: 7E775CF8EEB0C74AB91B3D4FC1D5FF7B680B
• _UID: E3EF3B9D6EB0E748BD661E9202AF3EEEA769
• Birth: Abt 1050/1057, of, Vermandois, Normandy, France

Notes:

Hugh DE CR?PI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), m. Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois

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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems to have the better source, which he gives below in response to a request from Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:

of Vermandois

!Trafford Pedigree; Some Early English Pedigrees, British 942 D2no, page 20.

From: Chris Phillips (cgp AT medievalgenealogy.org.uk)
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST

Runciman on that page, in a chapter on "The Crusades of 1101", describes the Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh: "Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem."

Runciman's sources for this section are "Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp. 579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2". If you'd like to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallica website, in the "Recueil des historiens des croisades series" - put these numbers into the "Recherche libre" field on the search page: N051574 for Albert; N051575 for Ekkehard.

Chris Phillips

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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the story behind the battle which caused Hugh's death:

Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his _History of the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101." On the battle at Heraklea, he says:

"Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time to reform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legends said that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."

trampled to death."

Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.

Nat Taylor

(Research):Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "le Grand", Comte de VERMANDOIS.

SURNAME: Also shown as Crepi

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Hugh Magnes de

FamilySearch showed this additional information:
Birth - Date: 1057 Place: Vermandois, Normandy, France

Hugh married Capet, Comtesse de VERMANDOIS Adélaïde Abt 1064, France. Adélaïde (daughter of De Vermandois, Count Herbert IV / V and de Valois (Vexin), Adele) was born Abt 1065, Valois, Bretagne, France; died 23 Sep 1120, Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XJ9-R2
• _FSFTID: 99CK-VH2
• _UID: 78DA7772AF0BE148BCF2D45693CA6035E854
• _UID: CBEA2F0085AE4CB19AAD2D2ED53D44DFEBD0

Notes:

Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage

(Research):Ad?le married Hugh "Magnus" CAPET Duc de Vermandois & Bourgogne, son of Henri I CAPET King of the Franks and Anna Agnesa Yaroslavna RURIK Grand Duchess of Kiev, in 1067 in France (Hugh "Magnus" CAPET Duc de Vermandois & Bourgogne was born in 1053 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France , died on 18 Oct 1101 in Tarsus, , Cilicie and was buried in Cathedral of St. Paul de Tarse, Turkey.)

Adèle also married Cte Renaud (Reinald) II DE CLERMONT-EN-BEAUVAISIS, son of Hugh DE CREIL comte de Clermont and Margaret (Marguerite) DE MONTDIDIER, in 1103 in 2nd husband 1st wife (Cte Renaud (Reinald) II DE CLERMONT-EN-BEAUVAISIS was born about 1080 in Clermont-en-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1162

Death place also given as Meulan, D-Sens, France.

SURNAME: Also shown as Vermandois

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Adele (Adelaide) Countess of

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 1050/1061

DEATH: Also shown as Died Vermandois, Normandy, France.

FamilySearch showed this additional information:
Death - Date: 28 Sep 1120

Other Events:

• _UID: AE2CC57C42464C56A39B267BCF12EF08FC96

Notes:

(Research):Another name for Gherbod was Gherbod "the Fleming".

Gherbod — Baudouinides, Queen of England Matilda. Matilda (daughter of Baudouinides, Count of Flanders Baldwin V and Capet, Comtesse d' Auxerre et de Coutance Adélaïde, daughter of Baudouinides, Count of Flanders Baldwin V and Capet, Princess Of France Adèle) was born 1031, Caen, Normandy, France; died 2 Nov 1083, , Caen, Calvados, France; was buried 3 Nov 1083, Holy Trinity Ch., Caen, Calvados, France. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XHZ-T2
• _UID: 54F22D7DC92649959441F9DA66AAA57B953C
• _UID: E8EE4B673E84494290F268E99E26F81D8199
• _UID: EAAF68EF7F9AD64592F45E5FD91507298534

Notes:

Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America (973 D2ah) Vol. 2

!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call, Chart 404 - # 1.

SURNAME: Also shown as England

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Matilda Queen of

DEATH: Also shown as Died Caen.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Holy Trinity, Abbey, Caen.

SURNAME: Also shown as De Flandres

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Flanders, France.

BIRTH: Also shown as Born 1032

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried buried in Eglise DE La Sainte Trinitbe, Caen, Normandie.

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• AFN: 8XJC-GR
• _UID: 3CE9FE30878C496CA018D32D29350882BB09
• _UID: D9E5E753759D1742AA4DFC1B0A19D75BC69D

Notes:

From Encyclopedia Britannica Online, article entitled Henry I:

"Henry was anointed king at Reims (1026) in his father's lifetime, following the death of his elder brother Hugh. His mother, Constance, however, favoured his younger brother Robert for the throne, and civil war broke out on King Robert II's death (1031). The younger Robert was given Burgundy in 1032, after Henry had sought refuge with Robert, Duke of Normandy. From 1033 to 1043 Henry struggled with his eudatories, notably Eudes of Blois and his brother Robert. In 1055, as the result of an agreement made by Robert II, the county of Sens came to the crown as the sole territorial gain of Henry's reign.

"Henry helped William (the future William I of England), Robert's successor as duke of Normandy, to quell his rebellious vassals at the Battle of Val-aux-Dunes (or Val-âaes-Dunes; 1047), but he was thereafter usually at war with him--a notable defeat for the king being that at Varaville (1058). Henry tried to resist papal interference but could not prevent Pope Leo IX from holding a council at Reims (1049). Philip, elder son of Henry's marriage to a Russian princess, was crowned in 1059. "

(Research):1. Alt. Birth; 1005.
2. Alt. Birth; Abt 1008.
3. Alt. Death; 4 Aug 1060.
4. Ruled: 1031-1060.

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Henri I

SUFFIX: Also shown as King of the Franks

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 1005/1006, of, Reims, or Bourgogne, France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Vitry, Brie, , France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died 02 Aug 1060

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried St Denis Abbey, Seine, Ile-de-France, France.

Henry married Rurik, Grand Duchess of Kiev Anna Agnesa Yaroslavna 20 Jan 1043/1044, France. Anna was born 1036, Kiev, Ukraine; died 1076/1089, France; was buried , Abbaye De Villiers, La-Ferte-Alais, France. [Group Sheet]

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• _UID: 01507C0A90E540D89432EA59EC0E03AA147A

Notes:

(Research):Anna married Henri I CAPET King of the Franks, son of Robert II "Le Pieux" CAPET King of the Franks and Constance Taillefer DE TOULOUSE Queen of France, on 20 Jan 1043-1044 in , , , France(Henri I CAPET King of the Franks was born on 18 Sep 1008 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France died on 2 Aug 1060 in Vitry-aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Seine, Ile-de-France, France

Anna also married Cte Raoul III "Le Grand" DE VEXIN comte de Valois et Vexin, son of Comte Raoul II DE VEXIN and Adèle DE BRETEUIL, in 1061 in 2nd husband 3rd wife(Cte Raoul III "Le Grand" DE VEXIN comte de Valois et Vexin was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 23 Feb 1073-1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-de-Calais, France.)