Other Events:

• AFN: 8PTS-DN
• _UID: 3CAEC69F6964C6479EFD81AFD195086FD11A
• _UID: EDAD58FC561B4A298FCE4296D618B440E9F1

Notes:

Gundred (daughter of Gherbod the Fleming), d. 27 May 1085; m. bef. 1077, William de Warenne, d. Lewes 24 June 1088, created 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolf de Warenne and Beatrice. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Trafford Pedigree; Some Early English Pedigrees, British 942 D2no, page 20.

Note: I think that Gundred was daughter of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. He was also advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin of St. Omer (as CP itself indicated-see notes under Gherbod) . As far as I know there is only one Gerbod.

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According to Magna Charta Sureties (and CP in a way), a daughter of Gherbod the Fleming. According to the Plantagenet Ancestry, a daughter of William the Conquerer and Matilda of Flanders. The following discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval illustrates the proof for Gundred being daughter of Matilda, wife of William I, and also the controversy still being debated about her ancestry. I happen to believe that the Lewes Chartulary is not false on the basis that there is no reason for forging a relationship to Queen Maud, but not King William I.

From: Phil Moody (moodyprime AT cox.net)
Subject: Re: tombstone of Gundrad, wife of William de Warenne
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-30 21:52:15 PST

"Chris PHILLIPS" wrote"


> There was never any question of Gundred being an illegitimate daughter of
> William I, but rather it was a case of a fraudulent claim that she was a
> legitimate daughter. The reason people used to think that Gundred was a
> daughter of William the Conqueror was because the monks of Lewes forged some
> charters which stated that. But I don't think anyone now seriously maintains
> that these charters are authentic.
>
> Gundred is known to have been a sister of Gerbod, who was briefly earl of
> Chester under William the Conqueror. It's clear they were members of a
> Flemish family who were advocates of St Bertin's Abbey in St Omer, and who
> held Oosterzele and Scheldewindeke, although the genealogy isn't altogether
> clear.

PLM: There is some doubt in my mind, however. Per your earlier assistance to me; I do now have "The Chartulary of the Priory of St. Pancras of Lewes", vol. I, ed. L. F. Salzman, and published by the Sussex Record Society in 1032 [sic?]. There is a lengthy charter by William Warrene nearly six pages in length; so I will not quote it's entirety, but this bit is curious.

Page 3:

"..., I have given for the welfare of my soul and that of Gundrada my wife and for the soul of my lord King William who brought me into England and by whose license I caused the monks to come and who confirmed my former gift, and for the welfare of my lady Queen Maud the mother of my wife and for the welfare of my lord King William his son after whose coming to England I made this charter and who made me Earl of Surrey,..." UNQ

PLM: It is quite clear from this charter, that Gundrada is the daughter of Queen Maud, and the lack of a reference to William I being the father of Gundrada is highly significant. If I were to rely solely on this evidence, I would have to conclude that Gundrada was NOT the daughter of William I at all.

People have referred to forged charters from Lewes, but what is the basis of these assertions, and which references discuss these "supposedly proven forgeries"? The premise of such an accusation appears to be up side down, in relation to the above charter. It seems illogical to forge a document that makes Gundrada the daughter of the Queen, as opposed to the King of England; which would essentially diminish her social standing, instead of elevating it, as most forgeries tend to do?

Sources: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I07256&style=TABLE, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I00350

(Research): Another name for Gundred was Gundreda DE GAND.

Alt. Birth; 1058, Normandy, France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Castle Acre, Norfolk, England, England.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, , England.

Gundred married De Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey Guillaume Bef 1077, Normandy, France. Guillaume (son of De Warren, Ralph and Emma) was born Bef 1037, Varenne near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France; died 24 Jun 1088, Lewes, Sussex, England, England; was buried , Priory Of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet]

1. De Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey William II was born 1081, Lewes, Sussex, England; died 11 May 1138, Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England; was buried , Priory Of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England.
2. De Warren, Reginald was born Abt 1082, of, , Sussex, England; died , Dsp.
3. De Warren, Edith was born Abt 1084, of, , Sussex, England.
4. De Warren, Gundred was born Abt 1085, Acre Castle, Acre, Sussex, England.

Other Events:

• _UID: AE2CC57C42464C56A39B267BCF12EF08FC96

Notes:

(Research):Another name for Gherbod was Gherbod "the Fleming".

Gherbod — Baudouinides, Queen of England Matilda. Matilda (daughter of Baudouinides, Count of Flanders Baldwin V and Capet, Comtesse d' Auxerre et de Coutance Adélaïde, daughter of Baudouinides, Count of Flanders Baldwin V and Capet, Princess Of France Adèle) was born 1031, Caen, Normandy, France; died 2 Nov 1083, , Caen, Calvados, France; was buried 3 Nov 1083, Holy Trinity Ch., Caen, Calvados, France. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XHZ-T2
• _UID: 54F22D7DC92649959441F9DA66AAA57B953C
• _UID: E8EE4B673E84494290F268E99E26F81D8199
• _UID: EAAF68EF7F9AD64592F45E5FD91507298534

Notes:

Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America (973 D2ah) Vol. 2

!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call, Chart 404 - # 1.

SURNAME: Also shown as England

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Matilda Queen of

DEATH: Also shown as Died Caen.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Holy Trinity, Abbey, Caen.

SURNAME: Also shown as De Flandres

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Flanders, France.

BIRTH: Also shown as Born 1032

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried buried in Eglise DE La Sainte Trinitbe, Caen, Normandie.

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XJK-Z6
• _UID: 371BB6B3E1344065AC4B4500D0C54B35C64A
• _UID: 5F9762E5C31F62438E11639F9F622B30C1EA
• _UID: BA148D6F800E1C438105BF8280CC2CDED4FB

Notes:

!Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America (973 D2ah) Vol. 2; Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call. He was Count of Flanders from 1036 to 1067.

Ancestry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant, by Robert F. Pfafman, p E-37.

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Baudouin

Entered into hostilities with Emporer Otho II and aquired f rom that monarchValenciennes and the Isles of Zealand. He s ubseqently further increased histerritories by another ric h accession, that of the citadel of Ghent.

PREFIX: Also shown as Count/Flanders

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Arras, Flanders.

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 1001/1012

DEATH: Also shown as Died Lille, Flanders.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Abt 01 Sep 1066/1067

Source: (WorldConnect at Rootsweb), http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=emsuggs&id=I5595&style=TABLE


7th Count of Flanders (1035-1067); Regent of France (1060-67)

(Research):Baudouin married Ad?la?de (Ad?le, Alix, Aelis) CAPET Comtesse d' Auxerre et de Coutance, daughter of Robert II "Le Pieux" CAPET King of the Franks and Constance Taillefer DE TOULOUSE Queen of France, in 1028 in Paris, Seine, France. (Adélaïde (Adèle, Alix, Aelis) CAPET Comtesse d' Auxerre et de Coutance was born in 1003 in Nevers, Nievre, France died on 5 Jun 1063 in Monastere De L'Ordre De St. Benoist, Messines, France and was buried in Monastaere De L'ordre De St. Benoist, Messines, , France.)


Baudouin also married Margaret DE FLANDRES.

SURNAME: Also shown as De Flandres

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Baudouin

PREFIX: Also shown as Comte

BIRTH: Also shown as Born of, , Flanders, France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Lille, Nord, France.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Lille, Nord, France.

Baldwin married Capet, Princess Of France Adèle Abt 1027, , Paris, Seine, France. Adèle (daughter of Capet, King Of France Robert II and De Toulouse, Queen/France / Princess Of Scotland Constance) was born Abt 1003/1009, , , , France; died 1 Jan 1079, Messinesmonastre, , , France; was buried , Messinesmonastre, , , France. [Group Sheet]

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• AFN: 9HMQ-FK
• _UID: 0ACBE811CA872946B4B597DAE8B8C3723D86
• _UID: 7075F8EDA2348D4F8B541715C9AD71F36128

Notes:

!Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America (973 D2ah) Vol. 2

Ancestry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant, by Robert F. Pfafman, p E-37.

There are several different spellings for this person's name.

SURNAME: Also shown as of France

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Adale

Other Events:

• AFN: 9R45-CV
• _UID: 0B61D7802708DF46A3B7D035B8452E25C62B
• _UID: C8D9BBC99C552343A955DA02CA0663E770FE

Notes:

!Or died 1 Sep 1066-7?

SURNAME: Also shown as Flanders

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Baudouin

PREFIX: Also shown as Count

Baldwin married de Luxembourg, Ogive Abt 1012/1027, Flanders, France. Ogive (daughter of Count Of Luxembourg Frederic) was born Abt 984/986, Of Flanders, France, or, Luxembourg; died 20 Feb 1030, Flanders, France; was buried 21 Feb 1030. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: FLHF-NG
• _UID: 47249020C656064292317C7F65598361DFE4
• _UID: 5A038D4BBE592C45A29AB3B3077CF4481EE9

Notes:

Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America (973 D2ah) Vol. 2

Ancestry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant, by Robert F. Pfafman, p E-36.

SURNAME: Also shown as of Luxembourg

Other Events:

• AFN: 8XJK-Q0
• _UID: 7888CF0039768B4281C56738889A0F399A7A
• _UID: 876DA18EA10F4A03B1C8CEB17EF68ADCF21A
• _UID: F7E22301BA14E844895EBD601305E6A8A1A4

Notes:

!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call.

. King of France (996- )

(Research):obert also married Bertha DES DEUX-BOURGOGNES, daughter of King Conrad I "the Peaceful" DE BOURGOGNE and Mahaut (Mathild) CAROLING of France, in 996. The marriage ended in divorce in May 1003. (Bertha DES DEUX-BOURGOGNES was born about 964 in Toulouse, France and died in 1032 in Melun, France

Robert also married Constance Taillefer DE TOULOUSE Queen of France, daughter of Guillaume I (II) "le Libérateur" DE PROVENCE comte d'Arles & Provence and Adélaïde (Azalais, Adèle) D' ANJOU, in 998 in France (Constance Taillefer DE TOULOUSE Queen of France was born about 986 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur, FRA died on 25 Jul 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France nd was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-de-France, France.)

PREFIX: Also shown as King of the Franks

BIRTH: Also shown as Born of, Orleans, , France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died , Melun.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried St. Denis.

SURNAME: Also shown as of France

Robert married De Toulouse, Queen/France / Princess Of Scotland Constance 998, France. Constance (daughter of De Toulouse, comte d'Arles & Provence Guillaume III and d' Anjou, Cts/Toulouse Adélaïde) was born Abt 974, Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur, France; died 25 Jul 1032, Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France; was buried , St Denis Abbey, Ile-de-France, France.). [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• AFN: 9G84-SR
• _UID: 13A65BC2F0534222994E261C3B3BFE4A6492
• _UID: 2A5E04FEB6A9BB41B94B4357F909EC37A8CA

Notes:

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Constance Taillefer

PREFIX: Also shown as Queen of France

BIRTH: Also shown as Born of, Toulouse, , France.

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Abt 986

DEATH: Also shown as Died , Melun.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried St Denis Abbey.