New France Genealogy

AKA Azalais, Adèle

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie AT interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

TatjanaAV wrote:
>
> >Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as
> >Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
> >France, and William of Provence.
>
> So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
> in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
> (Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
> de Rouergue).

Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

> When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
> she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975.

> Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

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Source: Jim Weber , WorldConnect at Rootsweb:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I15991&style=TABLE.

(Research):Ad?la?de married ?tienne II DE G?VAUDAN, son of Bertrand I DE G?VAUDAN and Emildis. (?tienne II DE G?VAUDAN was born about 940 in Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France and died before 972 in Gévaudan, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.)

Adélaïde also married Cte Raymond V Taillefer DE TOULOUSE about 972 . (Cte Raymond V Taillefer DE TOULOUSE was born in 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died about 990.)

Adélaïde also married Louis V "The Do-Nothing" CAROLING King of the Franks, son of Lothair CAROLING King of France and Emma of Italy, in 982 in 3rd husband - divorced 984 (Louis V "The Do-Nothing" CAROLING King of the Franks was born in 967 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France and died bET 21 AND 22 MAY 987 in (dsp)

Adélaïde also married Guillaume I (II) "le Libérateur" DE PROVENCE comte d'Arles & Provence, son of Boso(n) II D' ARLES comte d'Avignon & Arles and Constance (Constantia) DE PROVENCE comtesse de Vienne, after 984 (Guillaume I (II) "le Libérateur" DE PROVENCE comte d'Arles & Provence was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after 29 Aug 993 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France

SURNAME: Also shown as D'Anjou

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Arsinde (Blanche)

BIRTH: Also shown as Born of, Anjou, France.

Children:

2. De GÉvaudan, Bertrand II

Generation: 4

Children:

4. De GÉvaudan, Étienn II was born Abt 940, Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France; died Bef 972, Gévaudan, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.

10.

D'Anjou, Count Of Anjou Foulques II was born 21 Jun 910, Anjou, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France (son of d'Anjou, Count Of Anjou Foulques and de Blois, Roscilla); died 11 Nov 958, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France; was buried 11 Nov 958, St Martin-Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France, France.

Other Events:

AFN: 9HM8-MN
AFN: 9HM8-MN
LifeSketch: http://www.wuelzer.com/familytree/Book/PlantagenetBook.html
National ID: 6179
_FSFTID: KNH4-2TK
_UID: AE86FE88076F443B88D180F311522FCFDC77
_UID: D68DC529B9370D42BE612F15D7501DD50CD0
Title of Nobility: From August 941 to 960, Anjou, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France; Count of Anjou; Comte d'Anjou
Title of Nobility: From 942 to 11 November 958; Count of Anjou
Title of Nobility: 948; became Count of Anjou on the death of his elder brother
Title of Nobility: From 958 to 960, Bretagne, France; Regent of Britain; Régent de Bretagne

Notes:

(Research):Foulques married Gerberga du G?TINAIS, daughter of Geoffroy II, Comte du G?TINAIS and Ava d' AUVERGNE. (Gerberga du G?TINAIS was born in 913 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in 952.)

Foulques also married Dame de BLOIS, Comtesse de Bretagne, daughter of Thibaut "l'Ancien", Vicomte de TROYES, and Richilde de BOURGES.

Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call, chart 502 # 1.

Ancestry and Progeny of Captain James Blount - Inmigrant. by Robert Ffafman p. E- 29.
Also Known as Fulk II (The Good), Count of Anjou.

FamilySearch showed this additional information:
Name - Description: the Good Fulk II Count of Anjou

Foulques married de Gâtinais, comtesse d'Anjou Gerberge 935, Anjou, France. Gerberge was born 913, of, Maine, or Anjou, France; died 952, Anjou, France. [Group Sheet]

11.

de Gâtinais, comtesse d'Anjou Gerberge was born 913, of, Maine, or Anjou, France; died 952, Anjou, France.

Other Events:

AFN: 9HM8-NT
Baptism: of the, Gatinias
_UID: 00B31D4D35D3400DB516B2FDE241172F5585
_UID: 8987A6CBFD88F84DB483DB4C0D77ED9AB4D5

Notes:

(Research):Another name for Gerberga was Gerberge D' ARLES DU MAINE

Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call, chart 502.

Ancestry and Progeny of Captain James Blount - Inmigrant. by Robert Ffafman p. E- 29.

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Gerberge (Gerberga)

BIRTH: Also shown as Born Gastinois, France.

DEATH: Also shown as Died 960

Notes:

MARRIAGE: Also shown as Married 02 Mar 979

Children:

d'ANJOU, 4th Count of Anjou Geoffroy was born 936, Anjou, France; died 21 Jul 987, Anjou, France.
5. d' Anjou, Cts/Toulouse Adélaïde was born Abt 948, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France; died 16 Oct 1026, Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France.